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rekka
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 Undriveable under load
HI, I'm new to all this. First post first vehicle without a distributor.
I've built myself a 2276cc naturally aspirated VW motor (Empi HPMX carbs) for my bus. Megajolt with map installed. It is undriveable under load. I found a map that is close to a stock VW distributor as my starting point, but I cant get over 2000 RPM in second gear, without it missing, cutting out and a massive backfire through exhaust. Ive tried a few different maps, with plus or minus 5 degrees at that point in the grid, but no difference, on a gente downhill run it passes through that point and pulls well. I just happen to live at the top of a 15km hill. I have checked my voltages and grounds and that all checks out. Coil is new from Dubshop.net. I'm confident my static timing is OK. I've run out of ideas, but this is all new to me so I might be missing something obvious. Any ideas greatly appreciated.
The point it goes bad, is 2000RPM, 90Kpa and anywhere from 15 to 25 degrees advance. NO change.
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Wed May 31, 2017 3:11 pm |
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rekka
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 Update.
I unplugged the megajolt and it runs much smoother on edis alone. So I made a map with all points at 10 degrees (limp mode map) hooked the megajolt back up and it runs much rougher with lots of misfiring. So it has to be megajolt or wiring. Correct?
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Wed May 31, 2017 11:40 pm |
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brentp
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Thanks for the note.
One thing to check is by using a timing light on the crank to see what the actual timing is under varying conditions - EDIS only, or with Megajolt plugged in. Are you able to perform this test with an actual timing light? You should be able to get some useful information just running the car through the rev range while observing the timing.
Thanks, will watch for updates.
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Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:47 pm |
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rekka
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Thanks BrentP. I made some progress this morning and made a really conservative map with the same advance for all load conditions. Dramatic improvement. Not massive performance but smooth, and no backfiring. Definitely have a usable starting point now. I'll double check with my timing light to verify that my indicated advance matches the actual, before I start tweaking the map.
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Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:16 pm |
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brentp
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Great, keep us posted!
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:59 pm |
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rekka
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Well it turns out I have two problems at the same time. A bad coil (brand new aftermarket) and it only goes wrong once the engine is warm and too small main jets in my carbs. Switched out the coil for a ford one one and much better. Still got to deal with the carbs.
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Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:00 am |
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brentp
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Good detective work. Thanks for the update!
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Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:58 am |
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rekka
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 Update
It turns out my mechanic buddy's diagnosis is bad too. I switched out the coil for a brand new one, new plug wires too, changed my jetting slightly (richer mains, leaner idles) and it hasn't got any better. I've added advance, taken it away and I cant get rid of the problem. It happens at about 2500 rpm now. Once again, it only happens once the engine is up to temp. When cold it is fine. My nearest rolling road is 90 minutes away and they don't deal with carbs, I don't know where to go from here. If anyone has a map for a torque orientated 2276 with 40 IDF's id be very grateful.
The only good thing to come out of this is that SOHC ford focus plug wires are the right length for a VW type 1 motor.
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Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:53 pm |
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brentp
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Hm.
One other issue to consider is if you observe missing or hesitation at a specific RPM range, then the bracket for the VR sensor might be vibrating due to a harmonic resonance and could be affecting the signal to the EDIS module, causing it to lose sync with the trigger wheel.
Are you seeing this problem with the Megajolt unplugged?
What does the timing light on the crank show when you rev it to that RPM range?
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Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:04 am |
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rekka
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I just tried it with the megajolt unplugged and it still happened, but I had to push it harder before it did. The bracket is one I bought from mario at the dubshop. It is very short and there isnt a lot of room for vibration but ill double check. It only happens under load, not with the vehicle stationary so i cant check it with a light. Im starting to think fuel again.
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Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:22 am |
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brentp
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keep us posted. As before, if you can verify the ignition timing is stable when the engine is stumbling, then that could be a further indicator it's fueling related.
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Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:23 pm |
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rekka
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 Back from the dead
Just a two year follow up to say we found the culprit. (I've been running with distributor for a long time now) so I was happy with the fuel side so it was time to have another crack.
The issue was too much crank float which caused the sensor to touch the trigger wheel at just a certain rpm and load combination. Once the flywheel shims were corrected the interference stopped.
Now to dial in the map. My local dyno said 6-8 hours dyno time to create an ignition map. (Still running carbs so no fuel tuning going to happen). Does that seem excessive or is that about right?
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Thu May 02, 2019 9:30 pm |
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brentp
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Glad you got it figured out.
If they're doing a comprehensive tune, then that sounds pretty correct.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:22 pm |
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