Is RaceAnalyzer broken with V2 data?

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Post by JMcDonough »

See this post (and thread) for instructions on how to convert and view RCP log files in GEMS or AEMData:

http://www.autosportlabs.org/viewtopic. ... 2468#22468

For comparison with folks using a DL1, you can export in csv form from RaceAnalysis and import into GEMS/AEMData using Dlog99.

I'll admit, it's a bit of a process to get the data from .log files to .stf (maybe a minute per file once you get the tools installed), but GEMS is really nice. My only qualm with it is the lack of math channel support for .stf files. My work around for this has been creating the math channels either in RCP or in excel prior to converting the .csv to a .stf with dlog99.

If you want to give it a try with your own data, you can send me an email with a .log and I'll convert and sent back a .stf
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Post by GTIspirit »

unbalancedengineering wrote:Can we roll back to V1 on the new hardware? I didn't think that was an option....
Not sure if it's possible to run the V1 firmware on the new hardware..... But should be possible to flash back to the V1 firmware on the Mk1 hardware.
JMcDonough wrote:See this post (and thread) for instructions on how to convert and view RCP log files in GEMS or AEMData:

http://www.autosportlabs.org/viewtopic. ... 2468#22468

For comparison with folks using a DL1, you can export in csv form from RaceAnalysis and import into GEMS/AEMData using Dlog99.
That is a bit of a workaround for those of us without telemetry. The original RaceAnalyzer had a built in analysis and while not without its flaws, the integration and not having to convert files sure made it convenient.

So if there is no progress on an offline data analysis for the RaceCapture app, how about an option to manually upload files to https://www.race-capture.com/ so we can analyze them online? Maybe that is easier to implement than offline analysis in the RaceCapture app?

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Post by JMcDonough »

GTIspirit wrote: So if there is no progress on an offline data analysis for the RaceCapture app, how about an option to manually upload files to https://www.race-capture.com/ so we can analyze them online? Maybe that is easier to implement than offline analysis in the RaceCapture app?
brentp hinted it would be available "soon" :)


http://www.autosportlabs.org/viewtopic. ... 2782#22782
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Post by unbalancedengineering »

I have Mk2 hardware. Which is ANYthing but convenient when it comes to analysis. Brent keeps pointing to live streaming which I don't need or want to pay for. What I want is a simple way to look at and analyze the data I've been gathering.

Being a mechanical engineer, and not a programmer, neither running scripts or trying to use excel is really working. And soon appears to be many, many months....

Any tips on getting the scripts installed and running on Windows 7?

Thanks,
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Post by JMcDonough »

unbalancedengineering wrote:I have Mk2 hardware. Which is ANYthing but convenient when it comes to analysis. Brent keeps pointing to live streaming which I don't need or want to pay for. What I want is a simple way to look at and analyze the data I've been gathering.

Being a mechanical engineer, and not a programmer, neither running scripts or trying to use excel is really working. And soon appears to be many, many months....

Any tips on getting the scripts installed and running on Windows 7?

Thanks,
Jason
Hi Jason,

I agree. A working, native, offline analysis program is a must. When I purchased I did not realize the trouble it takes to get the data in a useful form.

I've got the scripts running on my windows 7 machine and would be happy to help you get the process working. Reply here or PM me with where you're at and I'll try to get you up and running.
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Post by unbalancedengineering »

I'll do it here to help anyone who may be in a similar spot.

I have GEMS, and DLO99 installed. I've downloaded the zip file from github and unzipped it, but after looking at the readme, I'm not sure what the next step really is...

Thanks Josh!

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Post by JMcDonough »

unbalancedengineering wrote:I'll do it here to help anyone who may be in a similar spot.

I have GEMS, and DLO99 installed. I've downloaded the zip file from github and unzipped it, but after looking at the readme, I'm not sure what the next step really is...

Thanks Josh!

Jason
So to run the script from github, you'll need to install perl since the script is written in that programming language.

First line of this post: http://www.autosportlabs.org/viewtopic. ... 2468#22468

Once you have that installed, you can run the script following the instructions in that same post.

Give that a try. You should end up with a .txt file that you can import into dlog99. One thing to note is that the .log file from your RCP must have GPS signal or the perl conversion script will fail. I had this problem when I first tried to run it because I was sitting in a garage with no GPS signal for my first logs.
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I tried that link and it appears to be dead... Any other places I should try to obtain pearl?

Thanks,
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Post by JMcDonough »

unbalancedengineering wrote:I tried that link and it appears to be dead... Any other places I should try to obtain pearl?

Thanks,
Jason
Checking my download history..I used a file titled "padre-on-strawberry-5.12.3.0-v5" to install it. Googling that gave a few different places to download. Here's one:

https://code.google.com/p/padre-perl-ide/downloads/list

and a guide to install:

http://learn.perl.org/installing/windows.html

There should probably be a wiki page on this topic within the RCP support site.
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Post by brentp »

Hi,

Thanks all for posting how-to links for the GEMS integration. We need to augment the instructions on the wiki on top of the github page- good suggestion.

Here's a screenshot of the in-app analysis we're working on. The initial release you'll have an option to upload a log file, then later we'll add the ability to connect data streams from various sources. Initially, the analysis will be lap oriented - it'll look for incrementing LapCounts as a way to sub-divide the data into laps.

The theme for the analysis view will be similar to the dashboard view: arrows on the bottom of the screen will let you page between different analysis views while being able to select and compare laps from different sources. We're pretty excited about it!

Another big push we're doing simultaneously is to get the Android app *out* of beta and into the play store as official, finally replacing the old app for a fully unified experience across all platforms - windows, OS X, Android and even IOS coming up.

I apologize for the delay and thank you very much for your patience. We'll work to get an evaluation analysis mode in very soon. This has all been a ton of work, but we're very excited to get it out to you.

Also: We're working on the ability to upload logs after the fact to http://www.race-capture.com - so you can see your data using the same analysis view as we have for real-time telemetry. Should be available in a couple of weeks as we finalize our testing.
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Also: if you would like us to test with your logfile data, please email it to [email protected] - would be much appreciated!
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brentp wrote: Initially, the analysis will be lap oriented - it'll look for incrementing LapCounts as a way to sub-divide the data into laps.

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Another big push we're doing simultaneously is to get the Android app *out* of beta and into the play store as official, finally replacing the old app for a fully unified experience across all platforms - windows, OS X, Android and even IOS coming up.
....

Also: We're working on the ability to upload logs after the fact to http://www.race-capture.com - so you can see your data using the same analysis view as we have for real-time telemetry. Should be available in a couple of weeks as we finalize our testing.
The lap oriented analysis sounds great for road racing applications. But what about autocross? We also have laps, except they typically are in different log files and called "runs." :lol:

What about Ubuntu support? The close, maximize GUI in your screenshot looks very Ubuntu like. Not that I want to bring my desktop out to my car, for in-car I use either an old Windows 7 laptop or new HP Stream 7 running Windows 8.1. But for analysis on the big screen Ubuntu support would be much appreciated. :D

Of course, if the online analysis of manually uploaded logfiles is good enough then there is no need for an offline version for at home. :wink:

One comment, with the online option you could potentially create the Strava of autoracing. :twisted: For example, then Josh and I could compare runs at the local autocross. :P

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Post by momostallion »

If I had to venture a guess, the Analysis portion is going to be multi-platform just like the rest of the Race Capture application so it should work on a tablet in the car, and for sure on a windows laptop.


Side note about analysis: now that I have spent some time fooling with analysis (via GEMS software) reviewing my sessions from Circuit of the Americas, I realized how little data I have. Other than basic info, this is not enough data to make driving decisions on. Though I haven't figured out how to get GEMs to let me compare lap vs lap and time delta by point on track so I still have some work to do.

But now I'm on a quest to get steering angle and brake pressure at minimum.
Wheel speeds for slip would be great to further understand the limit.

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Post by brentp »

Hi,

I actually do all of the development on Linux / Ubuntu. App runs very well there - just as well as iOS and Windows.
There are some Linux instructions here to run from source. We haven't packaged up, yet. https://github.com/autosportlabs/RaceCapture_App

On the run / lap sharing point - we can already do that! Check out this view where you can compare laps between cars/drivers:
https://race-capture.com/events/hod-the-ridge/overview#

Click the + sign next to each car to add a lap for comparison.

AutoX is a very similar use case (I used to autocross for year) - it's like a stage event or hill-climb, so the metaphor translates straight across.
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Post by fmbo »

H guys,

Wanted to check if there is something new about the in-app analyze in RCP? We are trying to build a scrutineering system around it, and I'm afras that voodoo dancing with perl will not give very good results for our team on this stage.

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